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		<title>By: donater5615</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 07:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where is my money I the powes to be are prepared to shut it down then why have they not contacted the players to release there money back in our accts they dont havvvvve acomplaint against me just fulltilt or was it a huge money grab from ordinary people ?? tell me where my legal money is I WANT IT RETURNED TO ME</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where is my money I the powes to be are prepared to shut it down then why have they not contacted the players to release there money back in our accts they dont havvvvve acomplaint against me just fulltilt or was it a huge money grab from ordinary people ?? tell me where my legal money is I WANT IT RETURNED TO ME</p>
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		<title>By: Slimgoody40</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slimgoody40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well i&#039;m waiting on ultimate bet to pay me for my badbeat winnings. A class action suit does seem about right at this point cause they are not speaking up or tring to make any payments to us usa players,but yet they over seas still making money. At first, i thought the DOJ. froze their accounts and the accounts of the other 2 sites. But after reading the DOJ action taken againg the sites,they clearly stated the didn&#039;t freeze any bank accounts or prevent the sites from making payouts. So that means the sites them selves Decided they are not going to pay us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well i&#8217;m waiting on ultimate bet to pay me for my badbeat winnings. A class action suit does seem about right at this point cause they are not speaking up or tring to make any payments to us usa players,but yet they over seas still making money. At first, i thought the DOJ. froze their accounts and the accounts of the other 2 sites. But after reading the DOJ action taken againg the sites,they clearly stated the didn&#8217;t freeze any bank accounts or prevent the sites from making payouts. So that means the sites them selves Decided they are not going to pay us.</p>
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		<title>By: reflexions73@yahoo.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>reflexions73@yahoo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 07:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who say FTP isn&#039;t rigged and claim they win bc they&#039;re good player can&#039;t get out of the way of their ego or work for the site or aren&#039;t paying attention to how the software manipulates the game. The software can be designed to do anything the owner wants. The levels of manipulation of each player and the game itself by the software can be programmed anyway they want, a form of cheating. And if site bots are employed for the owner&#039;s benefit, the cheating level has taken another massive step up for profits. No independent verification of the software has ever been undertaken or allowed. Why? Why do you think?

There is nothing about the dealer that even approaches randomness. 
Six-sigma statistic methods have no bearing on what cards are dealt. I&#039;m a better than average player; the methods I use to win at FTP bear no resemblance to how I play at a card table. Because of the non-random manipulated deal normal poker strategy and likelihood/stats cannot be used in the long term. You must alter how you play based on experience with their game manipulation by dealer, and they have programmed that to also change so as not to appear obvious or constant, using different schemes. 

I have seen too much evidence of board cards hitting 2 or more players in a hand perfectly designed to keep them in, make and call raises thinking they&#039;re the one that got the hit and so now have best hand, etc. You know what that does for the operators, right? Rake = pot% ! When all stay in to the showdown, I look at our hole cards and see that 4th &amp; 5th street cards are too peculiar too often, showing how we players were manipulated to stay, call or raise. 

Anyone who has a basic knowledge of six-sigma and how it is used relating to random chance probably has their own anecdotes to rival these, just a few of many glaring examples I&#039;ve observed and sometimes tracked.
  In 3 years of FTP play, 10,000&#039;s of hands, AK hole cards, I&#039;ve seen A or K flop exactly 4 times when I stayed! Unbelievable!! Of those hands I&#039;ve folded, I&#039;ve seen 100s of flops with A or K !! Rigged, no doubt in my mind.
  One session I played I tracked each hand with a 2 in hole. Played 530 hands, 2 in hole 178 times. Remember, 2s are 7% of deck! This is so outside the probability of random it&#039;s comical. And site wants me to believe it&#039;s legit?
  I&#039;ll say this -- the whole concept of statistical 6-sigma is used to analyze when something IS OUTSIDE of normally occurring random events. 
When collected data IS outside of that bell curve, SOMETHING IS AFFECTING the process -- that is a proven fact! Are there really any doubters here who don&#039;t know what is doing the affecting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who say FTP isn&#8217;t rigged and claim they win bc they&#8217;re good player can&#8217;t get out of the way of their ego or work for the site or aren&#8217;t paying attention to how the software manipulates the game. The software can be designed to do anything the owner wants. The levels of manipulation of each player and the game itself by the software can be programmed anyway they want, a form of cheating. And if site bots are employed for the owner&#8217;s benefit, the cheating level has taken another massive step up for profits. No independent verification of the software has ever been undertaken or allowed. Why? Why do you think?</p>
<p>There is nothing about the dealer that even approaches randomness.<br />
Six-sigma statistic methods have no bearing on what cards are dealt. I&#8217;m a better than average player; the methods I use to win at FTP bear no resemblance to how I play at a card table. Because of the non-random manipulated deal normal poker strategy and likelihood/stats cannot be used in the long term. You must alter how you play based on experience with their game manipulation by dealer, and they have programmed that to also change so as not to appear obvious or constant, using different schemes. </p>
<p>I have seen too much evidence of board cards hitting 2 or more players in a hand perfectly designed to keep them in, make and call raises thinking they&#8217;re the one that got the hit and so now have best hand, etc. You know what that does for the operators, right? Rake = pot% ! When all stay in to the showdown, I look at our hole cards and see that 4th &amp; 5th street cards are too peculiar too often, showing how we players were manipulated to stay, call or raise. </p>
<p>Anyone who has a basic knowledge of six-sigma and how it is used relating to random chance probably has their own anecdotes to rival these, just a few of many glaring examples I&#8217;ve observed and sometimes tracked.<br />
  In 3 years of FTP play, 10,000&#8242;s of hands, AK hole cards, I&#8217;ve seen A or K flop exactly 4 times when I stayed! Unbelievable!! Of those hands I&#8217;ve folded, I&#8217;ve seen 100s of flops with A or K !! Rigged, no doubt in my mind.<br />
  One session I played I tracked each hand with a 2 in hole. Played 530 hands, 2 in hole 178 times. Remember, 2s are 7% of deck! This is so outside the probability of random it&#8217;s comical. And site wants me to believe it&#8217;s legit?<br />
  I&#8217;ll say this &#8212; the whole concept of statistical 6-sigma is used to analyze when something IS OUTSIDE of normally occurring random events.<br />
When collected data IS outside of that bell curve, SOMETHING IS AFFECTING the process &#8212; that is a proven fact! Are there really any doubters here who don&#8217;t know what is doing the affecting?</p>
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		<title>By: F T R Gotcha</title>
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		<dc:creator>F T R Gotcha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS I do quite well at face to face poker.  Sure bad beats happen but on a coumputer site GREED is a strong motivator.  A fair site would make money after all the odds favor the house.  Rake on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS I do quite well at face to face poker.  Sure bad beats happen but on a coumputer site GREED is a strong motivator.  A fair site would make money after all the odds favor the house.  Rake on.</p>
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		<title>By: F T R Gotcha</title>
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		<dc:creator>F T R Gotcha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RIGGED.  I said this online after noticing the &quot;hot seat&quot; on a table.  It was a certain seat that won most of the hands over time.  Sure it could be that they were the better player but I suspected that they were getting software help.  Getting that card that defied the odds not once not twice but multiple times.  If that seems odd perhaps not.  When that player left the table I sat down in that seat.  I started getting hands that defied the odds.  Strange perhaps but it appeared to be RIGGED.  Was there reason to do so the answer seemed to me to be no.  I called the site RIGGED.  After all I took a beat of having lost with a straight flush.  Yeah I had the low end.  What is the odds on having a straight flush and losing?  Okay maybe I am foolish to think a straight flush should win.  After all I am playing for play chips.  I never put a dime in because as a person who holds a computer science AS degree, Magna Cum Laude what could I possibly know about programming?  It is possible to run a fair game and it ABSOLUTELY IS possible to RIG a winner.  You can track a player and can let them win some then zap them with a BAD BEAT.  A random card generator can be exactly that - RANDOM but it can also be altered to place that specific card that a player needs to win the pot.  Who&#039;s to say that this player isn&#039;t working for or with the gaming site to drain the accounts.  Now it could be that the site is fair and random.  I used to start the day with 1000 play chips and some days build to over 750,000 chips.  Each day I gave them back and started at zero.  Then one day as I was playing I called the site RIGGED and soon after I was called a lousy player and other terms you know DONK, fish etc.  Well I didn&#039;t care.  I concluded my experiment never again able to amass over 100,000 play chips.  Strangely I had a increase of BAD BEATS.  RIGGED I say.  Experiment concluded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIGGED.  I said this online after noticing the &#8220;hot seat&#8221; on a table.  It was a certain seat that won most of the hands over time.  Sure it could be that they were the better player but I suspected that they were getting software help.  Getting that card that defied the odds not once not twice but multiple times.  If that seems odd perhaps not.  When that player left the table I sat down in that seat.  I started getting hands that defied the odds.  Strange perhaps but it appeared to be RIGGED.  Was there reason to do so the answer seemed to me to be no.  I called the site RIGGED.  After all I took a beat of having lost with a straight flush.  Yeah I had the low end.  What is the odds on having a straight flush and losing?  Okay maybe I am foolish to think a straight flush should win.  After all I am playing for play chips.  I never put a dime in because as a person who holds a computer science AS degree, Magna Cum Laude what could I possibly know about programming?  It is possible to run a fair game and it ABSOLUTELY IS possible to RIG a winner.  You can track a player and can let them win some then zap them with a BAD BEAT.  A random card generator can be exactly that &#8211; RANDOM but it can also be altered to place that specific card that a player needs to win the pot.  Who&#8217;s to say that this player isn&#8217;t working for or with the gaming site to drain the accounts.  Now it could be that the site is fair and random.  I used to start the day with 1000 play chips and some days build to over 750,000 chips.  Each day I gave them back and started at zero.  Then one day as I was playing I called the site RIGGED and soon after I was called a lousy player and other terms you know DONK, fish etc.  Well I didn&#8217;t care.  I concluded my experiment never again able to amass over 100,000 play chips.  Strangely I had a increase of BAD BEATS.  RIGGED I say.  Experiment concluded.</p>
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		<title>By: told u so</title>
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		<dc:creator>told u so</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 01:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the software can be manipulated, so can &quot;dummy&quot; players that are rigged to win the majority of tourneys only to filter the money to the owners of these sites. See headlines April 15 of who was arrested and charged...when these guys rollover to get a reduced sentence, we will all see how enormous this issue is and who is involved. I am talking about the owners of the sites, processing systems and banks, programmers, and poker pros who knew and profitted. I am a poker player of 10 years and am HAPPY the feds finally will uncover a corrupt system from top to bottom. I hope all involved go to jail for taking money to unknowing poker players across the world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the software can be manipulated, so can &#8220;dummy&#8221; players that are rigged to win the majority of tourneys only to filter the money to the owners of these sites. See headlines April 15 of who was arrested and charged&#8230;when these guys rollover to get a reduced sentence, we will all see how enormous this issue is and who is involved. I am talking about the owners of the sites, processing systems and banks, programmers, and poker pros who knew and profitted. I am a poker player of 10 years and am HAPPY the feds finally will uncover a corrupt system from top to bottom. I hope all involved go to jail for taking money to unknowing poker players across the world!</p>
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		<title>By: so and so</title>
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		<dc:creator>so and so</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am having other problems with them. they have been lying to me in emails about my withdrawals and i still havent received them for almost half a year now. I have also realized that suck outs happen very often and it seems like my hot streaks and downswings are controlled..but how would FT benefit off of this? When it comes to the games, they get paid for only rake and thats it. It would take them lots of time and pointless effort to do this and the only thing that comes about this is mad customers. So why would they do this??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am having other problems with them. they have been lying to me in emails about my withdrawals and i still havent received them for almost half a year now. I have also realized that suck outs happen very often and it seems like my hot streaks and downswings are controlled..but how would FT benefit off of this? When it comes to the games, they get paid for only rake and thats it. It would take them lots of time and pointless effort to do this and the only thing that comes about this is mad customers. So why would they do this??</p>
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		<title>By: Thats what every one needs to do start a class Action</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thats what every one needs to do start a class Action</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 15:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all the one&#039;s that have Complaints about losing,or if they think they have been ripped off.START a Class Action suit ,and post it on line so every one will join and get a chance of getting their money back and then some!And Stop Complaining do something about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all the one&#8217;s that have Complaints about losing,or if they think they have been ripped off.START a Class Action suit ,and post it on line so every one will join and get a chance of getting their money back and then some!And Stop Complaining do something about it.</p>
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		<title>By: lol at the truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>lol at the truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 18:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@The Real Truth: You must work for them, lol. Obviously after playing on the site for a couple months anyone with a BRAIN can tell their software is setup to keep the games moving along QUICKLY, to do this they setup bad (hands that a pro would play, but in the end will lose no matter what), another thing you will see at full tilt poker is half the table with pocket pairs, constantly. One good peice of advice, NEVER call an all in when you have a pocket pair, because on FullTilt, there will ALWAYS be 1 or 4 others with pocket pairs too. Now in the laws of random, this is expected from time to time, but WAIT! EVERY GAME? WOW, seems like everything we know about random has changed. I think its time we ALL sue FullTilt, its a slap in our face letting these fools rip us off. When will there be a legit poker site? When its not controlled by greedy men located offshore. 

On top of that, they will scam you when you cash out. They will not give you your money as how you requested, then will send you a wire instead, and say sorry for the inconvinance, this wire comes with a wire fee (more money for their partner ... probably also owned by them). This is definitly against the law. Lets start a class action lawsuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The Real Truth: You must work for them, lol. Obviously after playing on the site for a couple months anyone with a BRAIN can tell their software is setup to keep the games moving along QUICKLY, to do this they setup bad (hands that a pro would play, but in the end will lose no matter what), another thing you will see at full tilt poker is half the table with pocket pairs, constantly. One good peice of advice, NEVER call an all in when you have a pocket pair, because on FullTilt, there will ALWAYS be 1 or 4 others with pocket pairs too. Now in the laws of random, this is expected from time to time, but WAIT! EVERY GAME? WOW, seems like everything we know about random has changed. I think its time we ALL sue FullTilt, its a slap in our face letting these fools rip us off. When will there be a legit poker site? When its not controlled by greedy men located offshore. </p>
<p>On top of that, they will scam you when you cash out. They will not give you your money as how you requested, then will send you a wire instead, and say sorry for the inconvinance, this wire comes with a wire fee (more money for their partner &#8230; probably also owned by them). This is definitly against the law. Lets start a class action lawsuit.</p>
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		<title>By: The Real Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Real Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 03:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how its only the players that lose money online who rave about this conspiracy but the truth is this ....

Full Tilt Ban bots because its BAD for business. People don&#039;t play on sites if they doubt their integrity hence there is less money to be raked in total (that&#039;s how they make their money, by taking a small percentage of each pot).


I have played online poker for nearly 10 years on nearly every major site there is. In my opinion Full Tilt is in fact the best and here is why ...

There are more players online than Party Poker for example (by a massive margin). There are also more games available and more variety. You just don&#039;t have to wait for action ... EVER ... its there you just go take it.

As for the &#039;BAD BEATS&#039; and &#039;rigged decks&#039; ... its bullshit plain and simple. I have played quite literally millions of hands on Full Tilt and yeah sure i&#039;ve suffered some horrendous beats but not once and not now do I consider them to be anything other than bad luck.

People that moan about bad luck are the people that should not play the game. Bad luck is part of poker, equally so is good luck. If you can&#039;t accept this then you shouldn&#039;t play because you&#039;re the sort of person that will just tilt off their BR, in fact, bank roll management or even stack management, hand odds, pot odds, implied odds, discipline, patience, risk versus reward etc etc .... are all things that these people have yet to even come across, let alone truly understand.

The point is, idiots will sometimes hit their miracle 2 outers, but as a GOOD poker player you will have already accounted for this by the way that you play the rest of your game and manage your assets.

IT HAPPENS, ITS NOT RIGGED, THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY .... ITS CALLED POKER! 

Happy New Year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how its only the players that lose money online who rave about this conspiracy but the truth is this &#8230;.</p>
<p>Full Tilt Ban bots because its BAD for business. People don&#8217;t play on sites if they doubt their integrity hence there is less money to be raked in total (that&#8217;s how they make their money, by taking a small percentage of each pot).</p>
<p>I have played online poker for nearly 10 years on nearly every major site there is. In my opinion Full Tilt is in fact the best and here is why &#8230;</p>
<p>There are more players online than Party Poker for example (by a massive margin). There are also more games available and more variety. You just don&#8217;t have to wait for action &#8230; EVER &#8230; its there you just go take it.</p>
<p>As for the &#8216;BAD BEATS&#8217; and &#8216;rigged decks&#8217; &#8230; its bullshit plain and simple. I have played quite literally millions of hands on Full Tilt and yeah sure i&#8217;ve suffered some horrendous beats but not once and not now do I consider them to be anything other than bad luck.</p>
<p>People that moan about bad luck are the people that should not play the game. Bad luck is part of poker, equally so is good luck. If you can&#8217;t accept this then you shouldn&#8217;t play because you&#8217;re the sort of person that will just tilt off their BR, in fact, bank roll management or even stack management, hand odds, pot odds, implied odds, discipline, patience, risk versus reward etc etc &#8230;. are all things that these people have yet to even come across, let alone truly understand.</p>
<p>The point is, idiots will sometimes hit their miracle 2 outers, but as a GOOD poker player you will have already accounted for this by the way that you play the rest of your game and manage your assets.</p>
<p>IT HAPPENS, ITS NOT RIGGED, THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY &#8230;. ITS CALLED POKER! </p>
<p>Happy New Year!</p>
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