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	<title>Comments on: Phil Hellmuth Awarded Pot in Losing Hand on Ultimate Bet</title>
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		<title>By: flopper</title>
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		<dc:creator>flopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 04:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ultimate Bet is still screwing around and cheating it&#039;s players.  It is the same gaming commission in canada that is overseeing the gaming as when they got caught cheating the first time.  It is a shell commission bought and paid for by online gambling to give online sites a false pretense of regulation and honesty.


If you play daily the program says it has to download updates.  BULLSHIT.  The downloads are resetting your own gaming structure and percentages of drawing and winning with hands.


The popular thing for many, is to play high stakes cash and sit and go&#039;s with one or more buddies sitting side by side, in effect a team play.  Others are also entering the same games as two different players with different names through the two combined sites.  When they get one on one it is easy to all in and double up.  Cheating is rampant on UB and will continue until the U.S. passes legislation to control it.  If you think some tribal council on a reservation in canada that has been paid by these online gambling sites has your best interest at heart guess again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ultimate Bet is still screwing around and cheating it&#8217;s players.  It is the same gaming commission in canada that is overseeing the gaming as when they got caught cheating the first time.  It is a shell commission bought and paid for by online gambling to give online sites a false pretense of regulation and honesty.</p>
<p>If you play daily the program says it has to download updates.  BULLSHIT.  The downloads are resetting your own gaming structure and percentages of drawing and winning with hands.</p>
<p>The popular thing for many, is to play high stakes cash and sit and go&#8217;s with one or more buddies sitting side by side, in effect a team play.  Others are also entering the same games as two different players with different names through the two combined sites.  When they get one on one it is easy to all in and double up.  Cheating is rampant on UB and will continue until the U.S. passes legislation to control it.  If you think some tribal council on a reservation in canada that has been paid by these online gambling sites has your best interest at heart guess again.</p>
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		<title>By: Micdiddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micdiddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh Cutthroat Doubleballer didn&#039;t disconnect, he showed his cards down, had the best, but Phil was rewarded the money. Even if he did somehow disconnect after getting called on the river there&#039;s no way in hell he would lose that pot, the only way he could lose if he folded, which he didn&#039;t.
I agree though that it&#039;s prob not smart to play on UB or AP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh Cutthroat Doubleballer didn&#8217;t disconnect, he showed his cards down, had the best, but Phil was rewarded the money. Even if he did somehow disconnect after getting called on the river there&#8217;s no way in hell he would lose that pot, the only way he could lose if he folded, which he didn&#8217;t.<br />
I agree though that it&#8217;s prob not smart to play on UB or AP.</p>
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		<title>By: CutThroatMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>CutThroatMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CutThroatMan Says: 
My response to UB on their blogsite and Mark&#039;s response below...
December 24th, 2008 at 3:32 am 
I have 2 concerns that keep me from playing your site…

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Mark Said to UB CEOBlog:
December 23rd, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Thanks for your lengthy explanations of the incidents that occurred on Saturday.

The way you explained the tournament chip shortage left me feeling rather unsatisfied. A good number of the players in that tourney got in via satellite, but I didn’t hear of a single other case of stacks being reset.

There was also a mention (on 2+2) that the final table chip count was correct. If that was indeed the case, who got my chips?

Is it perhaps because I won entries both on UB and AP, albeit under different user names? (Note that I played ONLY the UB entry, but that the other entry (which sat out the entire time) managed to finish 24th! Better than I did.

Also, it appears that my stack was reset DURING the first hand in question. How else could I have 2980 chips at the beginning of the second hand?

May I trouble you to be a little more specific in this regard, as the fact of simply winning an entry via satellite was accomplished by a good number of people.

Thanks.
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As Mark says he won 2 entries (UB and AP) using two different user names and is quick to add (only played one). Deja Vue… No doubt he sees both hands if logged on from 2 computers sitting side-by-side. Not saying Mark did, but he occupied 2 spots in this tourney. Illegal as hell on any honest site.

Sounds like this combining of two serperate poker sites has created another opportunity for cheaters. I get the distinct impression that Mark feels he or an accomplice could have played both. How many teams are working these 2 sites and how large are they? Scary as hell.

And as to the most recent “software glitch”. If this disconnect had happened seconds before, Phil would have won the hand and no amount of complaining would have changed the outcome. Only the showing of hands and immediate outside pressure even got this looked at. The only solution other than fixing buggy software is to institute disconnect protection for all tourneys and at least the medium and large regular games. I don’t see you doing that, either, as that system is quickly abused and a huge processor drain. To be honest, the old saying that a fool and his money are soon parted seems to really apply to UB and AP. Good luck to the fools who go where even angels fear to tread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CutThroatMan Says:<br />
My response to UB on their blogsite and Mark&#8217;s response below&#8230;<br />
December 24th, 2008 at 3:32 am<br />
I have 2 concerns that keep me from playing your site…</p>
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Mark Said to UB CEOBlog:<br />
December 23rd, 2008 at 8:42 pm<br />
Thanks for your lengthy explanations of the incidents that occurred on Saturday.</p>
<p>The way you explained the tournament chip shortage left me feeling rather unsatisfied. A good number of the players in that tourney got in via satellite, but I didn’t hear of a single other case of stacks being reset.</p>
<p>There was also a mention (on 2+2) that the final table chip count was correct. If that was indeed the case, who got my chips?</p>
<p>Is it perhaps because I won entries both on UB and AP, albeit under different user names? (Note that I played ONLY the UB entry, but that the other entry (which sat out the entire time) managed to finish 24th! Better than I did.</p>
<p>Also, it appears that my stack was reset DURING the first hand in question. How else could I have 2980 chips at the beginning of the second hand?</p>
<p>May I trouble you to be a little more specific in this regard, as the fact of simply winning an entry via satellite was accomplished by a good number of people.</p>
<p>Thanks.<br />
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<p>As Mark says he won 2 entries (UB and AP) using two different user names and is quick to add (only played one). Deja Vue… No doubt he sees both hands if logged on from 2 computers sitting side-by-side. Not saying Mark did, but he occupied 2 spots in this tourney. Illegal as hell on any honest site.</p>
<p>Sounds like this combining of two serperate poker sites has created another opportunity for cheaters. I get the distinct impression that Mark feels he or an accomplice could have played both. How many teams are working these 2 sites and how large are they? Scary as hell.</p>
<p>And as to the most recent “software glitch”. If this disconnect had happened seconds before, Phil would have won the hand and no amount of complaining would have changed the outcome. Only the showing of hands and immediate outside pressure even got this looked at. The only solution other than fixing buggy software is to institute disconnect protection for all tourneys and at least the medium and large regular games. I don’t see you doing that, either, as that system is quickly abused and a huge processor drain. To be honest, the old saying that a fool and his money are soon parted seems to really apply to UB and AP. Good luck to the fools who go where even angels fear to tread.</p>
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